followup on cell2tel Bluetooth RJ11 gateway

[*com (Dan Lanciani)]

I sent it back for repair/replacement. They decided it was not repairable
and sent another. The new one does ring the phone (once) much as the old
one did (at one time) but then it crashes just like the old one. I suspect
that if I keep ringing the phone whatever failed completely on the old one
will fail on the new one. I guess people don't even test with mechanical
ringers anymore...

Dan Lanciani
***@danlan.*com

[GlowingBlueMist]

Post by *com (Dan Lanciani)
I sent it back for repair/replacement. They decided it was not
repairable and sent another. The new one does ring the phone (once)
much as the old one did (at one time) but then it crashes just like
the old one. I suspect that if I keep ringing the phone whatever
failed completely on the old one will fail on the new one. I guess
people don't even test with mechanical ringers anymore...
Dan Lanciani

You might be able to adjust the ringer to accept a lower ring voltage.
Check out this link http://www.sandman.com/ringvoltbul.html and scroll down
until you see "Adjusting an old 2500 set ringer to ring on lower
voltages..." It all depends on if your ringer actually has the Bias spring
adjustment. Cheap clone ringers usually don't have it.

Mike Sandman's web site has quite a few devices available that can amplify
the ring voltage if it is absolutely needed.

[Bruce L. Bergman]

On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:00:38 -0500, "GlowingBlueMist"

Post by GlowingBlueMist

Post by *com (Dan Lanciani)
I sent it back for repair/replacement. They decided it was not
repairable and sent another. The new one does ring the phone (once)
much as the old one did (at one time) but then it crashes just like
the old one. I suspect that if I keep ringing the phone whatever
failed completely on the old one will fail on the new one. I guess
people don't even test with mechanical ringers anymore...
Dan Lanciani

You might be able to adjust the ringer to accept a lower ring voltage.
Check out this link http://www.sandman.com/ringvoltbul.html and scroll down
until you see "Adjusting an old 2500 set ringer to ring on lower
voltages..." It all depends on if your ringer actually has the Bias spring
adjustment. Cheap clone ringers usually don't have it.
Mike Sandman's web site has quite a few devices available that can amplify
the ring voltage if it is absolutely needed.

Like a 1A2 Shoebox KSU - it senses ring voltage and generates it's
own locally to run the tel set and external ringers. The only limit
is how many ringers the 130VAC 20Hz supply in the KSU can drive, and
they do make BIG supplies for big premises.

Anyone know the REN for the input on a Western Electric 400G card?

--<< Bruce >>--

[Al Gillis]

Post by Bruce L. Bergman
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:00:38 -0500, "GlowingBlueMist"

Post by GlowingBlueMist

Post by *com (Dan Lanciani)
I sent it back for repair/replacement. They decided it was not
repairable and sent another. The new one does ring the phone (once)
much as the old one did (at one time) but then it crashes just like
the old one. I suspect that if I keep ringing the phone whatever
failed completely on the old one will fail on the new one. I guess
people don't even test with mechanical ringers anymore...
Dan Lanciani

You might be able to adjust the ringer to accept a lower ring voltage.
Check out this link http://www.sandman.com/ringvoltbul.html and scroll down
until you see "Adjusting an old 2500 set ringer to ring on lower
voltages..." It all depends on if your ringer actually has the Bias spring
adjustment. Cheap clone ringers usually don't have it.
Mike Sandman's web site has quite a few devices available that can amplify
the ring voltage if it is absolutely needed.

Like a 1A2 Shoebox KSU - it senses ring voltage and generates it's
own locally to run the tel set and external ringers. The only limit
is how many ringers the 130VAC 20Hz supply in the KSU can drive, and
they do make BIG supplies for big premises.
Anyone know the REN for the input on a Western Electric 400G card?
--<< Bruce >>--

I've got two shoeboxes (a 550 and a 550C, with the plastic lift off cover
rather than a hinged door) and none of the 400-type cards installed specify
an REN. And none of the 1A2 BSP handbooks I've got reveal that number,
either. Maybe 400 cards got invented before REN was thought up and WE never
went back to compute or measure that particular characteristic?

Al

[*com (Dan Lanciani)]

In article <4a45fbf9$0$35412$***@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>, ***@nowhere.com (GlowingBlueMist) writes:
| Dan Lanciani wrote:
| > I sent it back for repair/replacement. They decided it was not
| > repairable and sent another. The new one does ring the phone (once)
| > much as the old one did (at one time) but then it crashes just like
| > the old one. I suspect that if I keep ringing the phone whatever
| > failed completely on the old one will fail on the new one. I guess
| > people don't even test with mechanical ringers anymore...
| >
| > Dan Lanciani
| > ***@danlan.*com
|
| You might be able to adjust the ringer to accept a lower ring voltage.

The current device is making the phone ring but it is crashing thereafter.
The sequence is that I hear a relay click in the Cell2Tel, the phone rings
once, I hear another relay click in the Cell2Tell, and then the Cell2Tel
reboots. It's possible that the residual charge on the ringer's capacitor
is too much for whatever the line is switched back too after the ring
generator. It's clearly a pretty poor design.

Dan Lanciani
***@danlan.*com

[msg]

Post by *com (Dan Lanciani)
| > I sent it back for repair/replacement. They decided it was not
| > repairable and sent another. The new one does ring the phone (once)
| > much as the old one did (at one time) but then it crashes just like
| > the old one. I suspect that if I keep ringing the phone whatever
| > failed completely on the old one will fail on the new one. I guess
| > people don't even test with mechanical ringers anymore...
| >
| > Dan Lanciani
|
| You might be able to adjust the ringer to accept a lower ring voltage.
The current device is making the phone ring but it is crashing thereafter.
The sequence is that I hear a relay click in the Cell2Tel, the phone rings
once, I hear another relay click in the Cell2Tell, and then the Cell2Tel
reboots. It's possible that the residual charge on the ringer's capacitor
is too much for whatever the line is switched back too after the ring
generator. It's clearly a pretty poor design.

A few weeks ago I connected an original 500 set from 1951 to an FXS port
hosted by an 'Internet Phone Jack (IXJ)' card in my asterisk box; it
rang it with gusto. I may try various Command Communications line sharing
boxes too, with increasing ringer loads, until they fail since, oddly,
the documentation that I have is silent regarding ringing capacity.
I seem to remember some sizable magnetics in these boxes, but don't
remember what is on the IXJ card; wouldn't a tuned primary of a step
up transformer in the circuit of a gated oscillator be an adequate
ring generator? The insides of the few VoIP ATAs that I have inspected
don't have much iron on the PCB ;)

Michael

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