Clone a SIM?

[Nigel Molesworth]

Is it possible to clone a SIM? I'm not talking about the user data, I mean
the whole thing - so the network thinks it is the original.

Not for any illegal purpose; I just want to keep a spare phone in my wife's
car for emergencies.

[Michael N. Paris]

Post by Nigel Molesworth
Is it possible to clone a SIM? I'm not talking about the user data, I mean
the whole thing - so the network thinks it is the original.
Not for any illegal purpose; I just want to keep a spare phone in my wife's
car for emergencies.

That is an illegal use, better off keeping an old phone which will work with
911 or credit card use per call. Or better yet, get a cheap per paid phone
for her use.

[blue box thief]

Post by Michael N. Paris

Post by Nigel Molesworth
Is it possible to clone a SIM? I'm not talking about the user data, I mean
the whole thing - so the network thinks it is the original.
Not for any illegal purpose; I just want to keep a spare phone in my wife's
car for emergencies.

That is an illegal use, better off keeping an old phone which will work with
911 or credit card use per call. Or better yet, get a cheap per paid phone
for her use.

Yes that is 100% illegal and when they catch you, your screwed!

Now, if all you want it for is for emergency calls, any (GSM/WCDMA device)
mobile device will call 999/112 emergency calls for free.

This is a legal requirement (in Europe definately).

Hope that helps...
b

[Andreas Wenzel]

Post by blue box thief
[...]
This is a legal requirement (in Europe definately).

At least not in the UK - have tried it. The Wikipedia also speaks of
many other countries not supporting emergency calls without a SIM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_telephone_number#Emergency_numbers_and_mobile_telephones

|| [...]
|| Dialing 112 forces the phone to make the call on any
|| network possible. However, some GSM networks (e.g. in
|| Belgium, Spain, UK, Liechtenstein, Austria) are reported
|| to connect emergency calls only from phones with a valid
|| account on their network, e.g. customers and roamers only.
|| [...] Latin American GSM networks typically do not allow
|| 112 calls without a SIM. [...]

The text says 112 but technically there is no difference to 911.

Andreas

[danny burstein]

Post by Andreas Wenzel

Post by blue box thief
[...]
This is a legal requirement (in Europe definately).

At least not in the UK - have tried it. The Wikipedia also speaks of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_telephone_number#Emergency_numbers_and_mobile_telephones

It _does_ work in the US (the FCC has mandated it) with
the cautionary reminder that the phone, being a radio, has
to be within range of a compatable cellular tower.

[blue box thief]

Post by Andreas Wenzel

Post by blue box thief
[...]
This is a legal requirement (in Europe definately).

At least not in the UK - have tried it. The Wikipedia also speaks of

Hi Andreas,

Hmm, I stand corrected then. Thanks. I did assume all countries had to do it.
I know IE does.

Post by Andreas Wenzel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_telephone_number#Emergency_numbers_and_mobile_telephones
|| [...]
|| Dialing 112 forces the phone to make the call on any
|| network possible. However, some GSM networks (e.g. in
|| Belgium, Spain, UK, Liechtenstein, Austria) are reported
|| to connect emergency calls only from phones with a valid
|| account on their network, e.g. customers and roamers only.
|| [...] Latin American GSM networks typically do not allow
|| 112 calls without a SIM. [...]
The text says 112 but technically there is no difference to 911.

yes essentially they are correct, but i would like to try
with 911 also :) maybe the next upgrade someone does they could try it.. :)

thanks
b

[Nigel Molesworth]

On 15 Feb 2008 14:13:47 GMT, blue box thief <"blue box

Post by blue box thief
Yes that is 100% illegal and when they catch you, your screwed!

I don't see how it can be, I'm not using both at once. The plan was to
duplicate her PAYG SIM in case she left her phone behind.

Not interested in 999/911 calls, just an "emergency spare".

Any thoughts, with these clarifications?

[Rüdiger Link]

Post by Nigel Molesworth
I don't see how it can be, I'm not using both at once. The plan was to
duplicate her PAYG SIM in case she left her phone behind.

Doesn't matter. You are not allowed to do this,
as simple as that. Neither cloning a sim card
nor using it in a phone.

Just on a side note, you wouldn't manage to
clone the card anyway - from that prospective,
quite a theoretical debate.

Post by Nigel Molesworth
Any thoughts, with these clarifications?

Buy a prepaid phone for emergency use or ask
your network operator for a dual sim, partner
card or however it is called there. I have a
Vodafone Dual Sim which allows me to use 2
identical cards but only one at the same time.
This is the only legal way to do it.

Rüdiger