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CELLPHONE CANCER SCARE! Be Afraid, Be VERY Afraid ... There's RADIATION Comin' From These TOYS!
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J. Fartlington Poopnagel
2010-06-29 20:24:02 UTC
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"Cellphone industry attacks San Francisco's ruling on radiation"

By Cecilia Kang
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 29, 2010; A01




San Francisco, a city that banned the plastic bag, now has waded into
the muddy territory of cellphone radiation, setting off a call to arms
in the $153 billion wireless industry.

Last week, the Board of Supervisors passed a law -- the first in the
nation -- requiring retailers to inform their customers how much
radiation the cellphones on their shelves emit, so shoppers can figure
out how close the devices come to the upper limits on radiation set by
the Federal Communications Commission.

The law, which goes into effect early next year, didn't mention the
word, but it was all about one thing: cancer, and whether cellphones
cause it.

The cellphone industry answered with its own C-word -- cancel. After
the vote, the CTIA wireless trade group called off its fall show,
scheduled for San Francisco. Elsewhere in the country, the industry
has been more successful. Earlier this year, similar laws in Maine and
California were beaten back by the makers of the iPhone and Droid and
the telecom giants that carry those phones on their networks.

"San Francisco has gotten out front on a number of issues
historically," said John Walls, a CTIA spokesman, "but in this case,
we are concerned they are leading the pack down a wrong and misleading
road."

Lacking conclusive evidence one way or the other, studies relating to
cellphone safety are being hurled about frenetically as cellphones
grow ever more powerful and pervasive: Americans have more than 285
million mobile phones at their ears, and the number in use globally
reaches 4.5 billion.

In 2006, Lennart Hardell, a professor of oncology and cancer
epidemiology at the University Hospital in Orebro, Sweden, reported
that adults he followed who had used cellphones for more than 10 years
"give a consistent pattern of increased risk for acoustic neuroma and
glioma," forms of brain tumors. That study has been used as the basis
for public health alerts by way of commercials, billboards and warning
labels in nations including Britain, Israel, Finland and France, but
it has had little resonance in the United States.

Hardell published a report last year that said teens and children have
a fourfold increased chance of getting brain cancer.

The National Toxicology Program (NTP), part of the National Institutes
of Health, is about to begin a $20 million study using rodents to test
the effects of cellphone radiation. But a study on animals has its
limitations, and it won't tackle questions about the effects on
children, said Ronald Herberman, former director of the University of
Pittsburgh Cancer Institute.

"I believe we have ample evidence for questioning the long-term
impacts of cellphones on health and solid grounds for concerns about
the long-term implications of their use," he said.

The last major study done by the U.S. cellphone industry was published
in 2002. Citing privacy concerns, corporations have declined to
release records of heavy cellphone use to match against incidence of
brain tumors.

The issue of children and cellphones has not been widely studied, even
as three out of four teenagers use a cellphone.

In a Senate subcommittee hearing in September, a member of the NTP
said there is potentially a greater risk that children, with their
thinner skulls, would suffer from the absorption of radio frequencies
in their brain tissue. But when asked by Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.)
whether he would recommend limits for children, NTP Associate Director
John Boucher said, "I don't think we are in a position yet to make
that recommendation."
Studies prompt concern

A cellphone call is carried over the same kind of radio frequencies as
those that funnel the evening news and "Dancing With the Stars" into
living-room televisions. For a call to be placed, radio frequencies
move at lower powers between a device and a cell tower. Since the
1980s, scientists have questioned how those microwaves affect the
body.

"A large number of studies have been performed over the last two
decades to assess whether mobile phones pose a potential health risk,"
the World Health Organization states on its Web site. "To date, no
adverse health effects have been established for mobile phone use."

The Food and Drug Administration and the FCC, the agencies that
oversee cellphone use and health, say users who want to reduce
exposure to radio-frequency energy should limit conversations and use
hands-free devices, which place more distance between a phone and the
head.

Last month, 13 nations in Europe and Asia released the results of a
decade-long study on long-term use. Scientists debated the results,
saying the study was flawed because it relied too much on the
subjects' memories of how much they used their phones.

The report, funded largely by the biggest global cellphone trade
group, said that there was no conclusive link between cellphone use
and cancer but that there were "suggestions" that heavy use could
increase the risk of glioma. NIH issued a statement after the report's
release, emphasizing that the study showed no link.

But some experts said even the suggestion of a link warrants concern.

"When you have suggestive evidence, you don't wait until you have
everything conclusive before you start warning about it," said David
Carpenter, a University of Albany public health physician and
professor. "That is the essence of cautionary principle."
Warning efforts opposed

U.S. standards mandate that the amount of energy seeping into the
body, known as the specific absorption rate, can range from 0.2 watts
per kilogram of body tissue to 1.6 watts.

Some companies offer guidelines of their own. The Nokia 1100, for
instance, warns that the phone meets radio-frequency guidelines only
when it is held at least 1.5 centimeters from the body. Motorola
recommends keeping the antenna of a device at least 2.5 centimeters (1
inch) from the body. BlackBerry warns that one of its devices "SHOULD
NOT be worn or carried on the body" without a BlackBerry-approved belt
clip.

But attempts to require warnings or explanations have sparked strong
opposition.

Earlier this month, state Sen. Mark Leno, a San Francisco area
Democrat, introduced a California bill he said would simply highlight
the information some cellphone companies already note in user manuals.
AT&T, a perennial supporter, stopped contributing campaign funds. The
company declined a request for an interview.

"My bill was not about warnings or a call to reduce cellphone use; it
was about education and letting people decide on their own from
information provided," Leno said. It failed.

Earlier this year, a Maine bill proposed labels on cellphones warning
of potential health risks for young users.

The CTIA, the high-tech industry group TechAmerica and the Maine
Merchants Association hired local lobbyists to convince legislators
that a proposed warning label showing an X-ray image of radiation
penetrating a child's brain was fear-mongering. They were joined by
Apple, Verizon and AT&T, according to state lobbying disclosure
records.

Dane Snowden, a vice president for the CTIA and former FCC head of
consumer protection, said at a hearing in Maine that federal standards
protect users.

"As you can see, this isn't the wireless industry's opinion. . . .
it's science," Snowden said.

The bill failed, and Andrea Boland, who introduced it, didn't
understand all the fuss.

"It's very unpopular to bring up this subject because cellphones are
so celebrated -- seen as glamorous, fun and important for safety,"
Boland said. "But I'm left asking, why are people so resistant to
this? It's a precaution only. No one is saying, 'Don't use your
cellphone.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062805231.html


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BUT, BUT ...


The Checkup
The Washington Post
Tuesday, June 29, 2010; HE02



"Study finds no cancer-cellphone link"

There's been a lot of concern about the possible health effects of
emissions from cellphones, including possible risks of living too
close to cellphone towers. That concern has been heightened by reports
of cancer clusters near cellphone base stations. Well, there's some
reassuring news out about whether it's dangerous to live near one of
those bases. A new British study has found that children born to
mothers who lived near one of those towers when they were pregnant do
not appear to be at increased risk for cancer.

In a paper published in the British medical journal BMJ, researchers
at Imperial College London studied 1,397 children age 4 and younger
who had been given diagnoses of leukemia or a tumor in the brain or
central nervous system between 1999 and 2001; they compared this group
with 5,588 similar children who had not received a cancer diagnosis.

The study found no association between the risk of cancer and whether
their mothers had lived near a cellphone tower.

The researchers acknowledged that their findings do not rule out the
possibility that children in the first group may be at risk for other
health problems later in life. But the findings should help
researchers put any reports of cancer clusters near cellphone towers
into context.

In an editorial accompanying the study, John Bithell of the University
of Oxford said that the stress and costs of moving away from cellphone
towers cannot be justified based on the existing scientific evidence.

-- Rob Stein

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062803795.html
Larry
2010-06-29 21:35:04 UTC
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Post by J. Fartlington Poopnagel
San Francisco, a city that banned the plastic bag, now has waded into
the muddy territory of cellphone radiation, setting off a call to arms
in the $153 billion wireless industry.
Wow...Will they shut down all these AM and FM blowtorch transmitters
putting SF in the dark?!

http://www.ontheradio.net/metro/san_francisco_ca.aspx

...and what about these TV BLASTERS??! Some of these guys are running
MEGAwatts ERP! It's enough to fry a seagull! Get anywhere near them and
you can FEEL it get WARM! (Been there...great fun in the RF near fields.)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/tvradio/media/tv.DTL

More environmentalist bullshit that goes on and on and on.....ad nauseum.
--
Global Warming and Creationism are to science what storks are to
obstetrics...

Larry
John Navas
2010-06-29 21:45:26 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:35:04 +0000, in
Post by Larry
Post by J. Fartlington Poopnagel
San Francisco, a city that banned the plastic bag, now has waded into
the muddy territory of cellphone radiation, setting off a call to arms
in the $153 billion wireless industry.
Wow...Will they shut down all these AM and FM blowtorch transmitters
putting SF in the dark?!
http://www.ontheradio.net/metro/san_francisco_ca.aspx
...and what about these TV BLASTERS??! Some of these guys are running
MEGAwatts ERP! It's enough to fry a seagull! Get anywhere near them and
you can FEEL it get WARM! (Been there...great fun in the RF near fields.)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/tvradio/media/tv.DTL
More environmentalist bullshit that goes on and on and on.....ad nauseum.
San Francisco politics is its own alternate universe.
Think of it as (expensive) entertainment. ;)
--
Best regards,
John

"Facts? We ain't got no facts. We don't need no facts. I don't have
to show you any stinking facts!" [with apologies to John Huston]
No Spam
2010-06-30 07:04:47 UTC
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Post by Larry
Post by J. Fartlington Poopnagel
San Francisco, a city that banned the plastic bag, now has waded into
the muddy territory of cellphone radiation, setting off a call to arms
in the $153 billion wireless industry.
Wow...Will they shut down all these AM and FM blowtorch transmitters
putting SF in the dark?!
http://www.ontheradio.net/metro/san_francisco_ca.aspx
...and what about these TV BLASTERS??! Some of these guys are running
MEGAwatts ERP! It's enough to fry a seagull! Get anywhere near them
and you can FEEL it get WARM! (Been there...great fun in the RF near
fields.)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/tvradio/media/tv.DTL
More environmentalist bullshit that goes on and on and on.....ad nauseum.
Hard to argue that this is just "environmentalist bullshit"

What makes cellphones different is the frequency and amount of exposure.
One of the two bands of cellphone frequencies is right where microwave
ovens work best at. Why those freqs? Because at those freqs, water
absorbs the RF energy most efficiently. Plus, your holding this up to
your head only a cm from you brain, which for most people is made of 80%
water. (some will claim concrete or many other foul substances)

This leads to exposure. While you can easily claim you are exposed to
several RF sources each day 24/7, most are great distances from you head.
Energy disperses at the square of distance. A radio or TV station will
only measure a few microvolts per meter unless you are within close
distance of them. And then, they are at a much lower frequency that will
not excite the atoms of water very efficiently. A one hour cellphone call
would be equivalent to a few seconds with your head in the microwave. Of
course, the mass of the water in your head will *safly* dissipate the
heat. The question is what damage will be done to the telomeres of your
DNA over time. I wonder about people who place their cellphones in a
holster near their crotch! :-)

My opinion?

What gets me about the report is they (industry study) came up with no
hard evidence that claims cellphone exposure IS definitely safe. If there
was no questions about the safety of long cellphone usage, the cellphone
industry would be blowing trumpets to make sure everybody knew about it
and would promote marathon usages.

I definitely smell a hiding or muddying of statistics when I read the
report. If there was any hint of damage, the lawsuits would probably make
the tobacco industry suits look small. Beside, who would trust a large
corporation much less a whole industry anymore with a simple "minion's"
health?

Please continue the crosspost to alt.suppost.cancer

the other newsgroups are moderated

alt.cellular.verizon,alt.support.cancer,alt.cellular.t-
mobile,alt.cellular.gsm,alt.politics.democrats
John Navas
2010-06-30 13:29:59 UTC
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Post by No Spam
Post by Larry
More environmentalist bullshit that goes on and on and on.....ad nauseum.
Hard to argue that this is just "environmentalist bullshit"
On the contrary -- a great many studies have found no, repeat no, health
hazard.
Post by No Spam
What makes cellphones different is the frequency and amount of exposure.
Not really -- we're exposed to all sorts of RF.
Post by No Spam
[SNIP reasoning no based on science]
My opinion?
OK.
Post by No Spam
What gets me about the report is they (industry study) came up with no
hard evidence that claims cellphone exposure IS definitely safe.
Well duh. It's difficult to prove a negative. What science (not the
industry) has come up with is a great many studies that have found no
evidence of harm.
Post by No Spam
If there
was no questions about the safety of long cellphone usage, the cellphone
industry would be blowing trumpets to make sure everybody knew about it
and would promote marathon usages.
Nonsense.
Post by No Spam
I definitely smell a hiding or muddying of statistics when I read the
report. If there was any hint of damage, the lawsuits would probably make
the tobacco industry suits look small. Beside, who would trust a large
corporation much less a whole industry anymore with a simple "minion's"
health?
"Cell phones - do they cause cancer?"
<http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/007151.htm>
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Best regards,
John

"Facts? We ain't got no facts. We don't need no facts. I don't have
to show you any stinking facts!" [with apologies to John Huston]
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